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[RESOLVED] Staff Report: Reporting SMKH for SC
24.01.2017, 13:24
Post: #1
Staff Report: Reporting SMKH for SC
I. Details: He was SC and letting others SC
Reported Staff Member: SMKH
Date of Report: 12/24/17
Approximate Time of Incident(s): 3 hours ago
II. Reason for report: Spawn camping
Report Reason: He was SC or he was letting other players SC without warning them
III. Evidence (Screenshots/Videos/Chatlogs)

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24.01.2017, 15:23 (This post was last modified: 24.01.2017 15:23 by Asignal.)
Post: #2
RE: Staff Report: Reporting SMKH for SC
SMKH
Well, as seen in this photo this is clearly Spawn Camping

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24.01.2017, 16:15
Post: #3
RE: Staff Report: Reporting SMKH for SC
Damn. I thought you were recording. And why is the chat hidden in some of the pictures? About "letting other players SC without warning them", here's the chat logs from IRC, showing I did infact warn players for spawncamping there:

Spoiler :
[16:25] <@ZombieBot2> |: Entering next Map (Old School)
[16:26] <@ZombieBot1> 12[3] 7$ergey_Fox_7773331: caps
[16:26] <@ZombieBot2> 12[3] 7$ergey_Fox_7773331: xD
[16:26] <@ZombieBot2> 12[5] 7[dF]DarkKiller1: unlucky xD
[16:26] <@ZombieBot1> 12[1] 7Gaara1: move nigga
[16:26] <@ZombieBot2> 12[15] 7Exalted1: hhhhh nigga
[16:26] <@ZombieBot1> >> Admin SMKH has given FixPavilion0.5 a warning (1/3) [Reason: spawn camp]
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[3] 7$ergey_Fox_7773331: jail
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 12[1] 7Gaara1: NIGGA
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[15] 7Exalted1: zm attack
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: id 4 mute
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 02[2] 03*** Gangstare[X] has joined the server.
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 12[11] 7SMKH1: and im the one lagging xD
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: /jail
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> >> Gangstare[X] has been kicked for 3 failed login attempts!
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 02[2] 03*** Gangstare[X] has left the server. (Kicked)
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: WHAT ARE YOU DOING
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 12[15] 7Exalted1: 15
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: 15
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 12[3] 7$ergey_Fox_7773331: 15
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[14] 7[dF]Clash[TOP]1: 14
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: pff
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[1] 7Gaara1: screenshot
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 02[2] 03*** Gangstare[X] has joined the server.
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: sapw
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[11] 7SMKH1: Dont do that
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[11] 7SMKH1: its considered sC
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: all of you are SC
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: SERGEY
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: pff
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[15] 7Exalted1: noo
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[3] 7$ergey_Fox_7773331: ?
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[5] 7[dF]DarkKiller1: i am in screen shot?
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: pls 1000 xp sdsdsds
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: nah
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> >> Admin SMKH has given Ted_Haig a warning (1/3) [Reason: Spawn camp]
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: i will report you too SMKH
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: Spawn camp
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[11] 7SMKH1: Don't ask for XP
[16:29] <@ZombieBot2> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: ok
[16:29] <@ZombieBot1> 12[15] 7Exalted1: who you will report
[16:29] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: f8 on fire
[16:29] <@ZombieBot2> 02[6] 03*** monkey.d_luffy has joined the server.
[16:29] <@ZombieBot1> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: hack id 16
[16:29] <@ZombieBot2> 12[11] 7SMKH1: ohh shit
[16:30] <@ZombieBot1> >> Admin SMKH has given [dF]Darklordbest a warning (1/3) [Reason: Dont say that in main chat]

Full Logs:
Spoiler :
[16:25] <@ZombieBot2> |: Entering next Map (Old School)
[16:26] <@ZombieBot1> 12[3] 7$ergey_Fox_7773331: caps
[16:26] <@ZombieBot2> 12[3] 7$ergey_Fox_7773331: xD
[16:26] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** Exalted killed Gaara. (Desert Eagle)
[16:26] <@ZombieBot2> 12[5] 7[dF]DarkKiller1: unlucky xD
[16:26] <@ZombieBot1> 12[1] 7Gaara1: move nigga
[16:26] <@ZombieBot2> 12[15] 7Exalted1: hhhhh nigga
[16:26] <@ZombieBot1> >> Admin SMKH has given FixPavilion0.5 a warning (1/3) [Reason: spawn camp]
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[3] 7$ergey_Fox_7773331: jail
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 12[1] 7Gaara1: NIGGA
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[15] 7Exalted1: zm attack
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: id 4 mute
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 02[2] 03*** Gangstare[X] has joined the server.
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** [dF]Darklordbest killed Gaara. (M4)
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 04*** SMKH killed Maik_Day. (M4)
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 12[11] 7SMKH1: and im the one lagging xD
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: /jail
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** Exalted killed Maik_Day. (Desert Eagle)
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> >> Gangstare[X] has been kicked for 3 failed login attempts!
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 02[2] 03*** Gangstare[X] has left the server. (Kicked)
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: WHAT ARE YOU DOING
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 12[15] 7Exalted1: 15
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: 15
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 12[3] 7$ergey_Fox_7773331: 15
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[14] 7[dF]Clash[TOP]1: 14
[16:27] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** Exalted killed Maik_Day. (Desert Eagle)
[16:27] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: pff
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[1] 7Gaara1: screenshot
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 02[2] 03*** Gangstare[X] has joined the server.
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** Ted_Haig killed Maik_Day. (Shotgun)
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: sapw
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[11] 7SMKH1: Dont do that
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[11] 7SMKH1: its considered sC
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** Ted_Haig killed Danil_Dergunov. (Shotgun)
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 04*** Exalted killed Maik_Day. (Desert Eagle)
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** [dF]DarkKiller killed Gaara. (M4)
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: all of you are SC
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: SERGEY
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: pff
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[15] 7Exalted1: noo
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[3] 7$ergey_Fox_7773331: ?
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[5] 7[dF]DarkKiller1: i am in screen shot?
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 04*** Exalted killed Danil_Dergunov. (Desert Eagle)
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: pls 1000 xp sdsdsds
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 04*** Exalted killed Gangstare[X]. (Desert Eagle)
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** Exalted killed Maik_Day. (Desert Eagle)
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: nah
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> >> Admin SMKH has given Ted_Haig a warning (1/3) [Reason: Spawn camp]
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: i will report you too SMKH
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** Ted_Haig killed Maik_Day. (Silenced Pistol)
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: Spawn camp
[16:28] <@ZombieBot1> 12[11] 7SMKH1: Don't ask for XP
[16:28] <@ZombieBot2> 04*** $ergey_Fox_777333 killed Danil_Dergunov. (Chainsaw)
[16:29] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** SMKH killed Gaara. (Desert Eagle)
[16:29] <@ZombieBot2> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: ok
[16:29] <@ZombieBot1> 12[15] 7Exalted1: who you will report
[16:29] <@ZombieBot2> 12[1] 7Gaara1: f8 on fire
[16:29] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** Maik_Day killed $ergey_Fox_777333. (Chainsaw)
[16:29] <@ZombieBot2> 04*** Exalted killed Maik_Day. (Desert Eagle)
[16:29] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** [dF]Darklordbest killed Gaara. (M4)
[16:29] <@ZombieBot2> 04*** Exalted killed Danil_Dergunov. (Desert Eagle)
[16:29] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** [dF]DarkKiller killed $ergey_Fox_777333. (M4)
[16:29] <@ZombieBot2> 04*** Exalted killed Maik_Day. (Desert Eagle)
[16:29] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** Exalted killed Gangstare[X]. (Desert Eagle)
[16:29] <@ZombieBot2> 02[6] 03*** monkey.d_luffy has joined the server.
[16:29] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** $ergey_Fox_777333 killed [dF]DarkKiller. (Chainsaw)
[16:29] <@ZombieBot2> 04*** Exalted killed Maik_Day. (Shotgun)
[16:29] <@ZombieBot1> 12[0] 7[dF]Darklordbest1: hack id 16
[16:29] <@ZombieBot2> 12[11] 7SMKH1: ohh shit
[16:30] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** [dF]Darklordbest killed Gangstare[X]. (Desert Eagle)
[16:30] <@ZombieBot2> 04*** Exalted killed Danil_Dergunov. (Desert Eagle)
[16:30] <@ZombieBot1> >> Admin SMKH has given [dF]Darklordbest a warning (1/3) [Reason: Dont say that in main chat]

Let's get clear on a number of things before I proceed to explain what actually happened:
-I was aware of the top of the building being a NO-CAMP-AREA (I read this topic every month) however, having seen some admins ignore people on that building, I thought it must be a change in rules. This has happened before when on the map "The Underground", the top of the zombie spawn was first allowed for SC, then it was restricted, and then it was allowed again. Thus, my reason for ignoring the people on that building
-Keeping in mind the idea in the last sentence I just wrote, the very purpose of unallowing spawncamping is to allow zombies to move freely in the zombie spawn and prevent them from getting killed immediately after they leave their spawn point. Having ambiguity about the building being an SC area(as discussed before), I therefore followed this notion and made sure no injustice was done
-I am also aware of the difference between spawncamping and spawndamaging, but as discussed before, I made a judgement call.

Let's move on to what actually happened:

As an admin, I have to deal with multiple situations at once. If I would have been dealing with hackers online at that time, this report would have been about allowing spawncampers to camp when I was online. Had I been dealing with spawncampers, it would have been about how bad an admin I am, allowing hackers to roam freely on my watch. It's not possible for me to focus on two different situations simultaneously, so I have to come up with alternatives. When the round started, we all moved near that zombie spawn area. Around 4-5 players got on top of that building we are talking about. I had seen a speed hacker near the zombie spawn and was waiting for some more action when I noticed the spawn camp. At this moment, I went on top of the building myself and observed the situation. There were few players online at that time, and the zombies were hardly coming out, so very little shooting was done. I was waiting there for spawn damages by players around me (and that's the time when you took S.S). I had already verbally warned them with admin text right after the round started (sadly it's not logged on IRC), and you can also see me giving a verbal warning in the main chat. The reason why I was up there for a long time was because there was very little shooting going on (no zombies out of spawn). I had to wait for people to do spawn damage before I could warn them. Then I think you came out and people started shooting. I gave a warn and others scuttled away from the spawn area. I stayed up there and kept observing (I think I gave another warn/jail after that for SC). Your pictures show me standing amidst other spawn campers, but it doesn't really show the bigger picture. I might be standing there, but it was for a genuine reason. Despite standing there, I wasn't shooting anyone. As mentioned before, I'm aware of the difference b/w spawncamping and spawndamaging, but we've already covered the "spawncamping" part above. Just making sure I'm not accused of spawndamaging. The standard is to go on admin duty when dealing with situations like these, but my situation was more complex. I had sincere reasons for not going on duty. By doing so, I would only have given a hint to the speed hacker online.

I had to make a judgement call and I made it. The reality of these situations is usually a compromise. I had to compromise a factor for a greater cause. It may have looked like I was doing this for personal benefit, but I was actually on duty at that time. I killed a person or two later, but that was obviously after this situation was over. I've said this before and I'll say it again, playing has always been my second priority. I wish you had a video as that would have explained my situation in a better way. Your images are of a very short time period, and capture only part of the story.

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24.01.2017, 16:40 (This post was last modified: 24.01.2017 16:52 by Ene.)
Post: #4
RE: Staff Report: Reporting SMKH for SC
Oh, you responded. I reported you because you were sitting there with them for 30 seconds. You gave none of them warnings, the only person you warned was the person who was on the ground and YES I hid my chat because other admins would think you were warning people you were standing next to so I had to make that clear. He was the only person you warned, everyone else was still standing there and you still did nothing but sit there for quite a long time. "Extensive SC", why would you even let him stay there for an "extensive" amount of time? I mean like 7 people in front of spawn killing us and I see an admin right beside them doing nothing, why would I not report you? Either way you didn't punish any of them and you were standing there the entire time. Don't focus on the chat log because in this situation it's irrelevant, all that matters is a large group of people were standing in front of spawn, camping, while an admin who could have done something, did nothing, except warn 1 person (who was not near him) and let the others keep killing us. Amazing job man.

By the way, I was not recording, they are screenshots.

And I do not see how you were "dealing" with them. Were you standing next to them begging not to shoot? I mean, lmao you weren't even doing your job in the first place man, you didn't handle hackers, or Spawn campers. Even if you warned them does it matter? Say a hacker was online for 6 hours until you banned him, you could say "oh i punished him" but there is already enough damage done. Try not to simply get the job done, but try to actually do it quickly and efficiently, it didn't even look like you put effort in.

And I timed my screenshots apart so that it didn't seem like only 5 seconds had passed. I also took eleven of them. Even your chatlog shows that you waited a very long time until you actually took action...

And let me say more that might even be irrelevant to this but I want to say it anyway. You never do your job as an admin, when I say "never" i don't mean it literally. I mean maybe once an hour you warn someone for SC, but i'm constantly reporting, I could see if you didn't agree with my reports but it doesn't even look like you checked them. Today i asked your name and you replied, I asked if I could ask you a question and you said "sure", I asked if you ever check my reports and you didn't respond. When I make a report I look at you to see if you actually do something, and every time you just run so I can tell you're not checking them. I might as well be an admin like really.
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24.01.2017, 17:51
Post: #5
RE: Staff Report: Reporting SMKH for SC
To your first section:
The reason I waited 30 seconds is already explained in my previous post. In fact, it's explained twice. You blame me for not fulfilling my duty and ignoring point-blank questions. You say I waited 30 seconds, but I've already responded to that. You say I ignored your private message, but I responded to that as well. You're good at blaming and throwing questions my way, but you're never interested in getting the answers back. I already explained the spawn-camping dilemma. I had seen other admins ignore people on top of that building, therefore I ignored them as well. And I waited 30 seconds to warn them because I had to make sure they actually "shoot you". Just because you make a report doesn't mean we take immediate action. We need to see the rulebreak ourselves and get it on record before we take action against it. I had to wait because there were very few zombies coming out and people weren't really shooting. I had to wait for them to shoot before I could warn them. About "extensive SC", the person had a score of less than 1000, and I had warned him before for spawn camping. It's unfair to jail newbies directly without explaining them about server rules, so I warned him first. When he ignored the warn, I warned him for extensive spawn-camp. It's only fair. You say I didn't warn anyone, then you say I warned just one guy(btw it was more than one), and now you're saying that chat logs are completely irrelevant. I'm not even going to give an explaination for this.

Second Section:
Again, it's easy to point fingers and give recommendations until it's you instead of the person you're blaming. Just saying I wasn't dealing with hackers isn't going to cut it. I don't go online just to go idle. We have to: read the chat for censorship, read admin chat for warnings, keep an eye in-game, deal with rule-breakers(spawn-campers), and all this while dealing with a hacker in /report. You expect us to ban a hacker immediately after he starts hacking. You think we're slow when reading your reports. I used to think just the same until I became an admin. You think it's just /spec and /ban and a hacker gets banned in 5 seconds of getting reported. It's more complicated than that.

Section Three:
Let's get down to facts rather than stories. I got back home from college at around 3.00pm. At 3.45pm, I logged in on IRC and checked for admins in the samp window. There were like 20+ players and no admin. I went in-game (although I had no intention, I knew the game would be a living hell with all the hackers) and immediately after connecting, I saw a hacker ingame. I tried to play but then quit shortly afterwards, and instead started spectating the reported players. Sometimes, you need to pause your game and go online for proofs. You need to be 100 percent sure before you ban someone. These are just some of the reasons why reports take time to respond. Most of the time when you reported a hacker, I was already dealing with another one you were unaware of. Every time you've reported, I've read your report and taken action accordingly. Just because you saw someone eating bullets without losing HP doesn't mean he's using HH. Similarly, every other person who can kill you isn't using an aimbot. There are factors like lag that need to be accounted for, and then there are factors from players who make immature/fake reports. Despite that, it's our duty to read every report and take equal action against each of them. If you're a 100k XP guy and using HH and there's another guy with 0XP and using HH, both of you will be of equal concern to us. It's easy to point fingers, Ene, but it's much harder to get the job done. You might as well be an admin. It'll help you understand these things better.

You also say I don't read your reports and when you asked me if I checked reports, I didn't respond. Logs from IRC:
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[19:07] <@ZombieBot1> 12[10] 7Lol2281: ß òóò øëþõèíû äåòè
[19:07] <@ZombieBot2> 12[21] 7SMKH1: Oliver
[19:07] <@ZombieBot1> 12[21] 7SMKH1: Respect pls
[19:07] <@ZombieBot2> 12[10] 7Lol2281: ß òóò øëþõèíû äåòè, ñêó÷àëè?
[19:07] <@ZombieBot1> 04*** Karina_Sovova died. (Collision)
[19:07] <@ZombieBot2> 12[31] 7Lei1: SMKH
[19:08] <@ZombieBot1> 12[17] 7[OOC]BlackFire[Hk]1: :v
[19:08] <@ZombieBot2> 12[2] 7Karina_Sovova1: WTF?
[19:08] <@ZombieBot1> 12[31] 7Lei1: Are you checking reports?
[19:08] <@ZombieBot2> |: Entering next Map (The Cube)
[19:08] <@ZombieBot1> 02[0] 03*** GhooSTNk has joined the server.
[19:08] <@ZombieBot2> 12[21] 7SMKH1: Of course I am
I don't know what you're basing your argument on, but it's definitely not facts. *sigh*

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24.01.2017, 18:15
Post: #6
RE: Staff Report: Reporting SMKH for SC
I don't remember you saying that even though I waited, guess you just took too long to reply *wow*. I said this was irrelevant anyway because it's not apart of this. You say that you didn't know they were spawn camping, so why did you say the following; "its considered sC" most probably directed to *FixPavilion0.5* who was on the building at this time.
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25.01.2017, 01:06 (This post was last modified: 25.01.2017 01:07 by SMKH.)
Post: #7
RE: Staff Report: Reporting SMKH for SC
I suggest you read my posts again, but this time more thoroughly. I've already answered your questions. You keep asking the same ones. You don't remember because, like I said before, you're quick at pointing fingers and asking questions but you're not interested in getting the answers back. The chat logs are very clear. Nothing has been deleted from it. I replied immediately afterwards. I didn't say I didn't know they were spawn camping. I knew they were on a NO CAMP AREA but I overlooked that because I had previously seen other admins allowing players to camp there. Therefore, I used the purpose of unallowing spawncamping and made sure that zombies were given the freedom they needed. One guy was actually doing something against this, so I had to warn him specifically. I dont remember if he was on the building or on the ground, but it was probably directed to that new player I later jailed for Extensive SC

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28.01.2017, 15:49 (This post was last modified: 28.01.2017 15:53 by Mohammed.)
Post: #8
RE: Staff Report: Reporting SMKH for SC
That map somehow is weird, and it happens alot when Humans number is higher then zombies number, Also the evacuation point is near zombies spawn which is not logical and doesn't meet maps requirments, So we cannot blame players if they get there..

Final decision:
Spoiler :
No action will be taken against SMKH

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